Myth Blaster – Allah or Jesus?


HM, Illinois has sent an chain e-mail I have seen a time or two before I started Myth Blaster, here it is:

This is very eye-opening!
Living in the
Detroit area I can concur with this, we have more Muslims in our neighborhood monthly and they are very active in the schools preaching all the time about their “rights” and how tolerant we should be of their faith. However toleration is a one way street with them. We are to learn about Ramadan, etc. but they are not to learn about Easter or Christmas. What is below is very true. “In God We Trust”
The Basics of Islam
This is a must read — it’s short but Very informative!
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the
United States, especially in the minority races!
Allah or Jesus? by Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that’s required for maintaining my state prison
security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.
The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: “Please, correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that’s the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?”
There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation, he replied,
“Non-believers!”
I responded, “So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?”
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
He sheepishly replied, “Yes.”
I then stated, “Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all
Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!”
The Imam was speech
less.
I continued, “I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?”
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head.
Need
less to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the “Diversification” training seminar were not happy with Rick’s way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim’s beliefs.
I think everyone in the
U.S. should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry.

Myth Blaster Verdict: FALSE.

Here is the original e-mail from Snopes, as you can see the subject line has been changed:

Allah or Jesus?
Last month I attended my annual training session that’s required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers who represented the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths who explained their belief systems. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.
The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam complete with a video. After the presentations time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn I directed my question to the Imam and asked: “Please, correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand that all of the Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that’s the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?”
There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation he replied, “Non-believers!”
I responded, “So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to heaven. Is that correct?”
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, “Yes.”
I then said, “Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Pat Robertson or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to heaven.”
The Imam was speech
less.
I continued, “I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question . . . would you rather have your Allah who tell[s] you to kill me in order to go to heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and wants you to be with me?”
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
Chuck Colson once told me something that has sustained me these 20 years of prison ministry. He said to me, “Rick, remember that the truth will prevail.”

The piece quoted above (“Allah or Jesus?”) is an editorial penned by Rick Mathes, Executive Director of the Mission Gate Prison Ministry. Reporter Greg Kearney, writing for the Lee News Service, traced the story to a correctional facility in Fulton, Missouri … the event described was a training program for prison volunteers … The man who gave the presentation about Islam was not a Muslim minister; he was an inmate pressed into service to present a short film on Islam and answer some questions when the prison Volunteer Coordinator was ‘unable to find an Imam to speak.’ Regardless of whatever may have transpired at the prison training session referred to above, the larger point the writer is attempting to make in this piece is a grossly inaccurate one.”

During the Persian Gulf War, cartoon booklets were passed around with a version of this story for military personnel to read and with the message that U.S. troops should pass this on to Saudi Arabians, et cetera. The U.S. military frowned upon this and advised the troops not to do so because the mission was to liberate Kuwait, not convert Muslims to Christianity – obviously a good diplomatic move since the coalition was formed by Moslems and Christians alike.

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18 comments on “Myth Blaster – Allah or Jesus?

  1. S.G.Stubbs says:

    Glad you’re there to give a bigger, hopefully more accurate and reliable picture. Perhaps in this age of information 10 second bites, it could have been a bit shorter, but you did give us the unprejudiced story. Tahnks again

  2. Keith says:

    S.G. Stubbs:
    Thanks for your comment. I guess it became lengthy when both e-mail versions were reprinted.

  3. Tamo says:

    I don’t know who Rick Mathes is…He should have asked me…smile…I am surprised that there are still people out there that have not seen the great impact that Islam has had on the thinking of mankind. Its reputation for cultivating righteousness is second to none. Yet, just like in all of the other religions…there will be a day of Judgement. None will avoid that day.
    Islam is a religion of Peace.
    The Quran says that God-Allah will judge the Jews by the Torah, The Christian by the Gospel, and the Muslims by the Quran…and any that believe in God and the last day will neither have anxiety nor grief….smile
    The Quran says that God try’s Man with what he gave them. It does not say Kill people that don’t believe as we do…that is just the rhetoric of preachers that lost the steam of appeal with their flock…so the are pointing the finger of condemnation at Islam—which they know nothing about…they take everything they hear out of context…
    As for fighting…we are advised to fight those who fight with us. We are never advised to be the aggressor…the aggressor is an oppressor, and the Quran says that “Oppression is worst than Slaughter.” If one of these pseudo intellectuals would have a humble state of mind and read the Quran with an open mind…the way most Muslims read the Gospel, the Torah, the Bhagavad-Gita, and the Vedas…they will find that it is intrinsically familiar to the primary human essence that they recognize in their very natures…plus much more.
    How and why do they judge us poorly without knowing how our Holy Book advises us to behave in the life of this world? All Religions are on trial today. The madness in the world is the sort of test that proves whether or not a persons religion is being practiced correctly or not. So far, in my opinion everyone is failing…Muslims, Jews, and Christians…the reason why we all are failing is because materialism is put before God…Many people don’t trust God for every phase of their lives…they only trust God if the Plane they are in is about to crash.
    Most people forget that God created fluids that stimulate and transforms the sperm cell into a fetus. Then He initiates the walking reflex, blinking, the breathing, and several other reflexes that we need to function in this world. We are placed in a safe place for 9 Months. During that time we rely and are at the mercy of our Dear Creator. But, when we come to the earth, and grow to be strong…we believe that we are the cause for the good in our lives. We forget that all of our provisions were her waiting for us to utilize them…and our Creator ask that we be thankful…sadly, many people are forward or scornful of that fact.

    We all must return to the basics…Belief in One God, Prayer, Fasting, Charity, Collectively seeking Gods forgiveness.
    The Quran has opened and continues to open the intellects of mankind daily…It says that Allah exercises Universal Power every day. He surrounds eternity and has No equal. It encourages good and forbids evil.

  4. Keith says:

    Tamo:
    Thank you for your interesting comment.
    However, you quote the Quran without providing the Surah you obtained “God-Allah will judge the Jews by the Torah, the Christian by the Gospel, and the Muslims by the Quran … and any that believe in God and the last day will neither have anxiety nor grief … smile.” As well as “God try’s Man with what he gave them.”
    And, I am only assuming that you are Moslem or profess the religion, and wondered why use the word “preachers” instead of Imam or other Islamic term for religious leaders; as well as other words, like “flock”.
    And as far as your comments on fighting: “we are advised to fight those who fight us.”
    Really? How about beheading? How about mass murder? These, of course, are acts of fundamentalists/Islamofascists – and not reflecting on those who truly follow the Islamic faith that you have termed as one of “peace”.
    And, if you are a Muslim that is a believer of peace between the “People of the Book” – coming from the founder of the religion, who believed the credentials of Jesus of Nazareth as being a messenger, prophet, and teacher of that which is of God (Allah); then you should be denouncing those that stain the reputation of your religion.
    It is important that when one writes a rebuttal or a comment to an article that has provided sources, then it is custom to do the same. “Oppression is worst than Slaughter” is from what Sura in the Quran.
    I am writing a manuscript that is the biggest and most extensive project in my literary life – Phenemonology of World Religion – mainly because of the scope of research that has taken over 15 years of study. That means that I have read the scriptures and texts like the Bible and the Quran in its entirety, as well as what I could obtain in English the Torah and other religious texts from around the world; producing notes and comments on the side to put together something that looks at religion based upon human history and how the believer looks upon his/her own professed religion. I am telling you this to provide you with a background of credentials in writing about this.
    I am also telling you about using quotes and providing sources, as a helpful suggestion, and not as a derogatory comment to your opinion written here.
    I would like to also add that it was the Arabs who invented wonderful things like Algebra (which has nothing to do with the religion of Islam), so I am assuming you are referring to the Arabs and not stating that it was Islamic clerics who contributed many important aspects toward civilization, especially in the golden era. Today, unfortunately, the only thing they are contributing is anarchy, terrorism and other anti-civilization acts and ideology – a major problem within Islam. True followers of the faith must help stamp out this disease that has become coined as “Islamofascism” – fundamentalists that is giving a negative view toward people of the faith of Islam. I hope you can see this clear fact presented. The hatred of the Jews by Arabs is preposterous. First, they are genetically cousins. Second, the Jews, Muslims and Christians are all “People of the Book” – and this comes from Mohammad, founder of Islam; and so on. Do you read of the foul deeds of Israel (truthful ones) or the Christians as one does with too many who “follow Islam”?
    And, finally, people who believe in a one true God, whether they call that Supreme Being Allah or one of the 86 names found in language and dialects of the world, should attack another because of doctrinal or other differences.
    Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to read and comment here at LPJ.

  5. Ken in Tennessee says:

    It was actually a story on CNN’s web site today that got me thinking about this very topic of how Islam has been unfairly labeled as a religion of hatred and oppression.

    The story was about how the Ku Klux Klan today is seeing its largest resurgence since the civil rights days. The target today, though, is illegal immigrants.

    Now all of us know that illegal immigration is a problem. Controlling your borders is one prerequisite of a sovereign nation — and we’re doing a pretty poor job of it. Neither party has done a good job with this issue, often preferring to use it as a political football rather than trying to solve the problem. It is an issue that must be seriously addressed if we are to continue to control our economy and security.

    But I have noticed a worrisome tendency in recent months both in my local community and around the nation to stimulate the kind of hatred of Hispanics that we often saw in America during the turbulent 60s. The Klan leader interviewed on CNN’s piece was brutally honest about his goals. He wants to use the outcry over illegal immigrants to recruit many new members for the KKK. Once they have them hooked, they can also teach them to hate other groups, religious faiths and others who are different from themselves. My legal Hispanic friends and co-workers can tell stories all day about the hatred and discrimination they frequently experience because they are Hispanic and often presumed to be illegal simply because of their race.

    Many of these KKK members today are like many of the anti-civil rights militants in the past. They are predominantly white, under-25 and feel threatened by changes they often don’t understand and certainly cannot control. Much like the poor, rural whites who formed the backbone of the KKK during the civil rights days, most also happen to be Christians.

    Does this make Christianity a religion based on hate? Hardly.

    Yet many people want to label the followers of Islam unfairly for the same reason — the actions of a minority of their fellow Muslims who are radical, filled with hatred and feel threatened by change.

    When the KKK, White Citizens Councils and other organizations were at the peak of their power in the South, they certainly gave no ground to today’s radical Islamists in terms of their cruelty. We can all remember the murders of innocent children, the lynchings, the bombings and other acts of brutality that were visited on blacks who were seen as “getting out of line.” Yes, most of these people were Christians. Some even justified their actions based on Biblical passages that allegedly condoned separation of the races and even slavery.

    Yet there was a recognition in America at the time that these were people who hated who also happened to be Christians. It was not that Christianity was a religion based on hate, but that some people who were Christians had perverted the religion for their own reasons. Their actions were no more representative of the Christian faith than today’s radical Islamic fundamentalists represent the vast majority of people who follow the Islamic faith.

    I would defer to your scholarship on comparative religion, Keith, on the similarities between Christianity and Islam in this regard. Yet I do know that all religious faiths have had moments they are not proud to remember, like the Salem witch-hunts, the Inquisitions, etc. In much the same way, I hope the followers of Islam can look back one day on the atrocities of some of their radical brethren today as being embarrassing — but not representative — of both them and their faith.

  6. Keith says:

    Thanks, Ken for your comment. And this represents the reason why I enjoy your comments and essays – well thought out.
    In my zeal to fix the immigration problem, illegal that is, I have never intended to sound like a biased person, although I have been accused of such and even called a racist.
    Illegal immigrants, although a majority are from Mexico, does not represent the whole picture of the illegal immigration system’s problem – there are others who try to circumvent our laws in various ways to enter our country illegally – from many parts of the world. Some are just seeking a better way of life, but others have dark reasons for doing so. We must ensure that we do not develop the attitude Americans had (generally speaking) in the days of the Civil Rights turmoil in our nation’s history.
    It is shocking that the KKK is even still around or any other organization of such caliber and mentality as you described here and CNN reported on.
    I am wholeheartedly into the request for a pardon for two Border Patrol agents, and if anyone hadn’t noticed, they are Hispanic-Americans – meaning American citizens of Hispanic origin somewhere in their genealogy.
    We must not put any race, ethnic group or any other such things to where we generalize against that particular ethnic entity – it just isn’t right.
    And this also applies to Muslims in America. While many are getting angry because the Islamic folks of the peaceful faction of the religion are not speaking more publicly against the fundamentalists of Islam – there is no excuse for bigotry and racism.
    I guess it is a human psychological condition: one cannot just look at someone (Hispanic or Moslem) and see if they are your enemy or not. I have seen this sort of thing occur in the “hotspots” of the world in which I was serving in the U.S. Army – and I would give lectures to my troops concerning this problem of doing so. What happens is that we alienate those that are truly are the allies of freedom, liberty and all the things we are supposed to stand for in America. It would be like seeing photos of a certain group in American society shown on TV and think that all Americans are like those depicted in the media, et cetera. It is surprising that with all of the information available at our finger tips, literally, that we would be wise enough not to fall into that bigot trap. Of course, some of the bigots you talk about were raised that way – brainwashed by their parents, and haven’t seen the true light of the truth of the matter. It is quite sad, really.
    My uncle Charlie, who recently passed away, was a veteran of World War II and lived during times where racism was a normal situation in Georgia, and I remember that one day when vacationing with the family, I rode to work with him where he used to own a food market back in the 1960s and witnessing the result of a racial lynching as they took down the body from a tree. It was horrific for a ten year old, and Uncle Charlie seeing this explained what happened and how he thought it was horrible and not right. He was a Christian all of his life. He represented to me, in my eyes, the role model of what being a Christian is like. So, of course, we cannot say that Christianity is a religion of hate and bigotry, at least those that follow the founder of Christianity.
    Excellent point, Ken, comparing those that misuse the Scriptures of the New and Old Testaments, much like the Moslem’s of the fundamentalist-minded Islamofascists are doing with the Holy Qu’ran; and your presentation in this comment is right on the money concerning this.
    There aren’t any similarities (so to speak) between Christianity and Islam – only common backgrounds. Indeed, they do have familiar backgrounds between the two – but it falls short there. For example, Muhammad was aware and recognized he considered a fellow prophet, Jesus of Nazareth. He recognized the biblical account of his life, the miracle of his birth, the miracles he performed, and his sacrifice in the name of God/Allah. A possible similarity between the “People of the Book” – as Mohammad called them, is that they believed in a one and true God with no other Gods before them. Thus, Mohammad followed closely to the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments. He did not recognize that Jesus was a deity, because there can only be one God. And whether he was familiar with the Church’s explanation of the Holy Trinity, it is not quite clear – but the knowledge of Jesus the Christ was known to Mohammad. The Quran is often, especially by scholars, divided between the pre-Mecca and the post-Mecca periods of Mohammed’s life; which means that there was a period when Mohammad considered anyone who disbelieved or believed in something other than that which he claimed came from the instruction of the archangel Gabriel, who visited him while he hid in a cave from his enemies. In a little known fact, Mohammad life was spared because of a Christian king that would not allow those sent to capture Mohammad and bring him back to Mecca in chains to be executed – mainly because he was a guest and that he asked Mohammad some questions concerning Scripture and about Jesus to determine whether he was an honest man or not.
    I have had friends and associates of several different types of races and ethnic groups, as well as every pigmentation degree the human skin experiences – and I also realized that there are those who treat them disrespectfully just because they are different or not like those that demonstrate bigotry.
    Anyway, Ken, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and reasoning with us here at LPJ.

  7. luc says:

    I wish there were more christians around like him back in the days when there were “picnics” after church and my ancestors were on the menu!

  8. Keith says:

    Whatever that means.
    Cannibalism has never ever occurred in the Islam, Judaic or Christian religions. Here we use links to provide the source of any information, opinion, or rebuttal – for obvious reasons. “Beavis and Butthead” mentality is discouraged – it takes greater effort and self satisfaction to engage in intellectual conversation instead of the waste of words (and mind) upon which your comment represents.
    This would be the very rare occasion I have chastised anyone concerning their opinion. One has to have minimal or no education in order to surpass this statement.
    And just who are your ancestors? Out of curiosity. Right now the mental picture received probably is a plus for the Theory of Evolution, but I wouldn’t really want to insult the ape species.

  9. It sounds like that writer might subscribe to the Hindu faith. Church picnics might have had hamburgers made from cows that are esteemed to be ancestors. Just a guess.

  10. Keith says:

    Sometimes rebuttals are not better than the expressed opinion. The article was written to denounce a myth being passed around via email, and then there were other correlating topics to discuss. This e-journal nor the articles within its content is not intended to nor encourages derogatory statements against a specific religious belief or its doctrine; but rather enlighten as to theological history and its philosophical background. In the case of Islamic fundamentalists, they have given the true Moslem a bad impression to others, and the point was that they must denounce those that defame Islam.
    Insulting Christians, Moslems, Hindus, et cetera does nothing for theological discussion except make themselves look as small and narrow minded as those who defame or alter the original religious founder’s ideology. I do not want to moderate comments, except for Spam, so let us have intellectual discussions presented instead of insults about one particular religion, please.
    Thanks for participating and I don’t want to discourage discussion, but let’s keep it civil, okay?

  11. Jerry Propst says:

    Thanks for your work. I have read Snopes’ full treatment of Mathes’ work. So, when there are conflicting accounts how do those of us who are not directly connected to the incident determine which is true or if either is completely true. there is something in Mathe’s piece that doesn’t ring true, but I have worked in and with government enough to know that government officials are not above distorting the truth if it serves their ends as well.

    Islam is, as you say, not a monolith. So to paint all with the same brush is not wise. But some who practice Islam also teach that it is not necessary to always tell the truth to the infidel, nor to keep faith with the infidel. Even if Mathes’ article were one hundred percent accurate, it would be wrong to assume that the imam spoke for all Muslims. There is no doubt that some Muslims are committed to the forceful conversion or annihilation of all infidels. My question is why is there not a stronger voice of protest within the moderates regarding the extremists? Most Christians thoroughly deplore the KKK and are willing to say so openly. Anyway, thanks for your work.

  12. Keith says:

    Jerry P:
    Thanks for your comment.
    We shouldn’t paint the Moslems with “the same brush”; however, as a newer posting published here points out – Islamic fundamentalism/fascism is a real and present danger. And, since it apparently is okay to lie to a non-believer, as written in the Qu’ran, this means that because of national security they must be under surveillance.
    Apparently, unlike the Turks, the immigrant Muslims from nations in the Middle East and elsewhere (to include elements set up here in America) they have not separated church and state in their ideology. Therefore, this alone has become a problem, along with other problems like CAIR, HAMAS here in America who side with America and the free world’s fight against terrorism and Islamic fascism.
    But I don’t want to repeat that article here.
    Thanks for your input.

  13. Rick Mathes says:

    Please go to http://www.MissionGateMinistry.org under “Allah or Jesus” for the unedited article and my rebuttals to those who doubt it’s veracity.

    Rick Mathes
    MissionGateMinistry@msn.com

  14. Keith says:

    Readers:
    Rick Mathes is the person this chain e-mail is about and you can visit his site and read the background of all of this.
    Thanks to Rick for sharing this with LPJ.

  15. richard winne says:

    CHAPTER II
    THE CHAPTER OF THE HEIFER
    (II. Medina.) page 33

    They will ask thee about the phases of the moon; say, ‘They are indications of time for men and for the pilgrimage.’ And it is not righteousness that ye should enter into your houses from behind them, but righteousness is he who fears; so enter into your houses by the doors thereof and fear God; haply ye may prosper yet.
    Fight in God’s way with those who fight with you, but transgress not; verily, God loves not those who do transgress.
    Kill them wherever ye find them, and drive them out from whence they drive you out; for sedition is worse than slaughter; but fight them not by the Sacred Mosque until they fight you there; then kill them, for such is the recompense of those that misbelieve.
    But if they desist, then, verily, God is forgiving and merciful.
    But fight them that there be no sedition and that the religion may be God’s; but, if they desist, then let there be no hostility save against the unjust.
    The sacred month for the sacred month; for all sacred things demand retaliation; and whoso transgresses against you, transgress against him like as he transgressed against you; but fear ye God, and know that God is with those who fear.
    Expend in alms in God’s way and be not cast by your own hands into perdition; but do good, for God loves those who do good.

  16. A Mother says:

    Just found this site and I have a very large problem with the third comment written by Tamo (On February 6, 2007 at 1:09 pm Tamo Said.) In his comments he stated “Most people forget that God created fluids that stimulate and transforms the sperm cell into a fetus…We are placed in a safe place for 9 Months. During that time we rely and are at the mercy of our Dear Creator.” Since when has the SPERM transformed into a fetus? “God created fluids…”!!! This muslum, indian or whatever doesn’t even recognise the role of a WOMAN in the conception or pregnancy. My biggest problem with people from islamic countries is that they think women and children are chattel, property, lower than dirt. I pity the poor women and the children (especially the girls) born into families who believe as Tamo does. Does anyone else see the problem with this comment?

  17. Adam says:

    Allah is dead! Believe in Jesus!

  18. Keith Lehman says:

    Adam:
    Jesus of Nazareth has been dead over 2,000 years.
    What’s your point?

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